"twinturbobmw" (twinturbobmw)
01/11/2014 at 19:08 • Filed to: Buildsheet
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"twinturbobmw" (twinturbobmw)
01/11/2014 at 19:08 • Filed to: Buildsheet | 1
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What buildsheet is about is choosing a car and finding parts to create a car meeting the requirements and budget. (e.g. lemons car, $500) You are free to "buy" any cars and parts however I might add in little touches such as "The car must have less than 120hp stock. Or parts must be 50 US state legal." But because this is the first Buildsheet, I'll leave it open to just a topic and budget. I encourage you to modify the car to your personality and what you like. Make the car your own. Here's the criteria:
Topic: Standing Mile
Budget: $40,000
Extra Rules: The car must not be made in North America or Asia. The car must remain naturally aspirated.
photo: conceptcarz
daender
> twinturbobmw
01/11/2014 at 15:33 |
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Question, the car itself can't be USDM or JDM but are we allowed to swap in motors from either of those countries or must it stay non-US/Japan?
CCC (formerly CyclistCarCoexist)
> twinturbobmw
01/11/2014 at 15:40 |
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A caterham Classic $29000
LS3 crate engine 9900
Total $38900
John Norris (AngryDrifter)
> twinturbobmw
01/11/2014 at 15:40 |
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Corvette C4 LS7 for starters; I have about $12,000 left.
Brian Silvestro
> twinturbobmw
01/11/2014 at 15:40 |
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GTR w/ 8.4L V10 Viper engine.
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daender
> daender
01/11/2014 at 15:41 |
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Anyway, I'm thinking a Vauxhall V8 of some sort...
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daender
> CCC (formerly CyclistCarCoexist)
01/11/2014 at 15:46 |
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Add some DIY aerowork and I think we have a winner if we're allowed American engine swaps.
190e30-Now with COSWORTH
> twinturbobmw
01/11/2014 at 15:47 |
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Wait a minute, I missed the Asian/American part. sorry.
On a side note, I really like this game.
Bandit
> twinturbobmw
01/11/2014 at 15:53 |
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What do I win?
I'd probably take shave some weight by removing the dual fuel tanks in the back and stripping whats left of the interior. The blower would be fake like it is in the movie. It just looks really cool. I'm positive you could find a project Falcon XB and build the motor for less than 40k.
GhostZ
> twinturbobmw
01/11/2014 at 16:11 |
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Porsche 928 - $3000, no engine (EXTREMELY low drag coefficient for the money, already capable of 180 mph)
Junkyard 454, rebuilt - $2000
Bore, cylinder sleeves, and 427 Crankshaft to make it a high-revving 451. ~650HP @ 7000rpm (but not for very long...) on race gas. ~$9,000
Transmission and differential: ~$6000
Solid cam, new pushrods, new pistons, new valaves, high-RPM heads, $12,000
Tires, rims, and a few suspension tweaks: $3000
Mounts, aero, stripped interior, drivetrain components, and misc. swap stuff: $5000
Power: ~650 HP, 500-600 ft/lbs
Weight: ~2800 lbs (street legal, just very unsafe) or ~3400 lbs with full interior
Top speed: over 220-230mph
Likely a low-10 second car in the quarter mile and a 150mph+ trap speed, so with a drag coefficient that low (the 928 is really slippery) a 200mph standing mile time is not unreasonable.
Another $10,000 on forced induction /nos and you could be pushing 220-230mph in the standing mile easily, since the engine combo can touch 1000+ HP with moderate (~10 psi) boost.
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GhostZ
> Brian Silvestro
01/11/2014 at 16:13 |
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I don't think any GT-R could be converted to RWD and use the viper engine for under $40,000. I'm assuming an old GT-R (R32/33) and even then, that plus the engine leaves you with about ~$15000-$20000 to do the entire swap, which would include a new transmission, supsension, engine bay, drive train, etc.
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Brian Silvestro
> GhostZ
01/11/2014 at 16:17 |
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I completely forgot about the budget. My bad. How about a Juke with an LS swap?
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GhostZ
> Brian Silvestro
01/11/2014 at 16:19 |
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Unless you used a FWD transmission (bad idea) you'd have to rebuild the drivetrain again, since the Juke is setup for front transverse mounting. You might be able to just tear the whole engine out and mount the LS on the back with a custom transmission, but again, that's blowing the budget. Plus, the Juke's aerodynamics isn't really sorted out well.
If you're going to start with a Nissan car, go with a Z31 or Z32, they both are really slippery with high top speeds already, aren't too expensive, and can fit a number of different engines (or in the Z32's case, just upgrade the current one) pretty easily.
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Brian Silvestro
> GhostZ
01/11/2014 at 16:21 |
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I'm sorry, I'm really not too knowledgeable when it comes to modifying cars, especially of the Asian variety.
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GhostZ
> Brian Silvestro
01/11/2014 at 16:22 |
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Don't apologize! That's what Oppo is for, to share knowledge.
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Brian Silvestro
> GhostZ
01/11/2014 at 16:25 |
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That's what I was going to say! Just this conversation, I've learned a bunch of stuff. Looking at the other replies really helps. Fucking love this place.
Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire
> twinturbobmw
01/11/2014 at 16:31 |
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BluePrint Engines Pro Series Chevy LS 427 c.i.d. EFI drop-in base crate engine- $8,998.97
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twinturbobmw
> daender
01/11/2014 at 16:59 |
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Yes. You can swap USDM or JDM engines in.
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twinturbobmw
> 190e30-Now with COSWORTH
01/11/2014 at 16:59 |
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I'll try to do them more often. Maybe once a week.
PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power
> twinturbobmw
01/11/2014 at 17:06 |
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E36 318i off of craigslist- $2500
M5 V10 engine/Transmission- I guess about $10,000
Suspension/ chasis mods- about $15,000
Wheels/Tires/Brakes- $7500
Interior/Bodywork- $5000
revrseat70
> GhostZ
01/11/2014 at 17:48 |
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Don't forget the most important mod of them all bro..
Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment
> twinturbobmw
01/11/2014 at 19:17 |
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All of this, right here...is all porn.
dogisbadob
> twinturbobmw
01/11/2014 at 19:20 |
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Any Australian Holden or perhaps the German Catera with some kind of LS swap
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twinturbobmw
> Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire
01/11/2014 at 19:22 |
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Can't be a USDM car.
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Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment
> twinturbobmw
01/11/2014 at 19:23 |
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Oh yes. You custom-made this for me. Alright. To start, we can use my current car - 1988 E28 535i stick. Already own it, paid...very little for it. So that leaves me almost all of the 40k budget still. Its got M5 front suspension components already, I'd add Ground Control Coilovers, all new rear suspension mounts, links, and bushings. Fully built S38 engine swap with the 6 speed transmission. Turbo'd. Power M sport seats inside. All new audio and HVAC systems. Proper vintage HRE or BBS wheels. E34 M5 brakes. Euro front and rear conversions. Repainted in its factory color of Delphin Grey. V1 installed in the rear-view mirror. Hopefully capable of putting about 650 hp to the wheels, conservative goal.
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Evan, Pope Of Jalopnik by Self-Appointment
> PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power
01/11/2014 at 19:24 |
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Great idea...I don't think an E36 has been V10-swapped yet. And they have gotten a lot cheaper on eBay, even with the full harness and tranny.
Ansel
> twinturbobmw
01/11/2014 at 19:28 |
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NA miata with no motor/broken motor - $1000-1500
Suspension Parts - $1000
Solid Rear Axle 9" Ford w/ Welded Diff - $300
Sonnys 815 cubic inch drag engine - $29,500
Two 97mm Turbos w/ Intercooler - $4000
Parachute - $500
Roll Cage - $2000
Life Insurance Not Included
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GhostZ
> revrseat70
01/11/2014 at 19:29 |
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It's a standing mile car. No way in hell would it have a catback. I'm thinking side-exit, or, to keep it street legal, straight pipes.
IDROVEAPICKUPTRUCK
> twinturbobmw
01/11/2014 at 19:34 |
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Used E36 318ti - $1800
http://www.ebay.com/itm/BMW-3-Seri…
LS7 Crate Engine - $17129
http://www.chevrolet.com/performance/cr…
TR6060 Crate Transmission - $3350
http://www.chevrolet.com/performance/tr…
E36 LS Swap parts - $3600
http://www.vorshlag.com/product_info.p…
That's puts me around $25,000. That leaves $15000 for suspension, aero, safety and further engine upgrades.
Axel-Ripper
> twinturbobmw
01/11/2014 at 19:46 |
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For an Asian car (screw your rules): First Gen Honda Insight. Turbo LS motor (can be done for under $20k for maybe ~1500 hp. Only needs to last 2 miles). Lower it, Add some aero to keep it stable, done.
You want German? Get me a $500 bmw, add cage, same LS motor as above, and aero the fuck out of it.
Aya, Almost Has A Cosmo With Toyota Engine Owned by a BMW.
> twinturbobmw
01/11/2014 at 20:11 |
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Going mental.
Miata+Hardtop+Extensively tuned 20B.
BiTurbo228 - Dr Frankenstein of Spitfires
> twinturbobmw
01/11/2014 at 20:17 |
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Buy one Jaguar XJS V12 - $6,000
Spend $34,000 stretching that monster V12 as far as it can go. There's evidence that it can be bored and stroked to just a little over 10 litres! Saying that, apparently that's a low-rpm engine, so the shorter-stroke 8.4l would be more suitable.
Also, the 24v AJ6 head uses the same bore spacing and will fit with some modification.
So, we've got a 8.4 litre 48 valve V12 in a car that you can probably strip down to between 1200 and 1400kg. Considering Jaguar were able to get 730bhp out of a 7.0l 24 valve V12 in the XJR-12 , I think we could get pretty damn quick with +1.4l and 24 extra valves.
Monster.
Stephen the Canuck
> twinturbobmw
01/11/2014 at 21:04 |
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Volkswagen Golf (whatever good used example can be bought for under $4k, early generation)
Rest of money to tube frame it to have the engine in the middle, putting the power to the rear with a 6 speed transaxle (out of a Porsche). Strip the interior to make it as light as possible.
Make a completely flat full length undertray.
Power and light weight, I don't see why this wouldn't be darn good at the standing mile.
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John Norris (AngryDrifter)
> John Norris (AngryDrifter)
01/11/2014 at 21:32 |
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"The car must not be made in North America"
Oops. Is Bowling Green KY really North America? I'll redirect to a GTO then (Holden in Elizabeth, South Australia).
jsmizira
> twinturbobmw
01/11/2014 at 21:48 |
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Old busted Rolls Royce corniche $2300
And one of these 1000 C.I. 2000+ hp engines for the rest. What do I win?
http://www.sonnysracingengines.com/engines/sar-10…
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revrseat70
> GhostZ
01/11/2014 at 22:55 |
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haha I thought it was obvious I was kidding. I just liked how detailed your list was
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GhostZ
> revrseat70
01/11/2014 at 23:01 |
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...I may or may not think a lot about this. I've gotten in the habit of running mean piston speed and VE numbers just to figure out what is necessary to make the highest power possible.
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revrseat70
> GhostZ
01/11/2014 at 23:03 |
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Any update on the Z project? At least I think that was you
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GhostZ
> BiTurbo228 - Dr Frankenstein of Spitfires
01/11/2014 at 23:24 |
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Wait, seriously? I had no idea the jaguar V12 had so much room for bore!
Modern parts with the original stroke can touch 9000rpm on 6.3 liters! That's insane! If you can still flow air at those speeds, it's a 700HP N/A motor, like you claimed.
I wonder if you could swap one into a 240z... I mean, you can, but at what cost? http://jalopnik.com/5336153/1971-d…
In a Mini; let them mock me as My Mini Countryman is higher than you
> twinturbobmw
01/12/2014 at 00:14 |
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Porsche 930 Turbo Whale Tail Euro spec
TyFc3s-A car hating millennial
> twinturbobmw
01/12/2014 at 01:09 |
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TVR 280i - $6,000
BMW S85 V10- $8000 507hp/ +100lbs (2500lbs)
13.5:1 comp ration pistons -
$2000
296/284 cams - $2500
stage 3 heads - Lets say $5000
con rods - $3300
Tornado 2 ECU - $3000
Total ~750hp
OEM 6 speed manual transmission - $4000
face plate- $1000
CCW classics in matching brown (the car will be brown, a factory color) 17x10 all around 5x112 pattern -$3000
Toyo proxes RA-1s - $1000
Now when we add the materials id be using to modify the chassis and add a roll cage and a parachute and a custom coil over set up -$3200
$43000
Little debt never hurt anyone! especially considering theres still some questions and variables to the prices, including parts i could sell to get some money back
And it would sound like god.
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BiTurbo228 - Dr Frankenstein of Spitfires
> GhostZ
01/12/2014 at 05:30 |
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Jesus that 240Z's mental :) someone made it fit in an MGB too
That's part of the reason people swapping Jag V12s for Chevy 350s bugs me so much. The Jag V12 is a bonkers engine, and it's only really for convenience that people do it.
wizkashifa
> Ansel
01/12/2014 at 18:27 |
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You've ignored both the JDM and forced induction rulings.
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wizkashifa
> Aya, Almost Has A Cosmo With Toyota Engine Owned by a BMW.
01/12/2014 at 18:28 |
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That's a JDM car. Would it really be that fast in the mile?
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Aya, Almost Has A Cosmo With Toyota Engine Owned by a BMW.
> wizkashifa
01/12/2014 at 18:46 |
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Well, i know some folks made a 20B-Powered Hachiroku with 700+ hp if i remember. And 700 hp is quite a lot.